Tell me your thought process when you decided to embrace the Catholics in Goa. That’s the reason you came back to power. You got more Catholics elected than the Congress party.
Yes, but even in 2002, in spite of the fact that I did not have Catholics, except for one, my policies never discriminated against them.
That’s true, but electoral politics is different. Because I would like to believe it was following this example..
How do I know about Catholics? I am a Hindu so I can indirectly represent the feelings of people of the Hindu community to the government. How do I know what they require? So that’s why I need them in the government.
I think two big changes in Indian politics have been—one, you embracing Catholics and getting them empowered...
And Muslims also.
...and in Punjab, Akali Dal similarly embracing Hindus and getting more Hindus elected than the Congress or the BJP. Those are big turning points. At the same time, you see Narendra Modi last year not giving a single ticket to Muslims in Gujarat.
Giving ticket or not giving ticket probably depends on whether you’ve got a credible face.
But you’ve to create them.
You have to create them. It’s the perception that counts. There was a perception but I think that perception is slowly changing. The younger generation among the minorities also appreciates Modi and they don’t go by the old propaganda model. I call it a propaganda model because every time you find a lady going to television channels and making some statements, trying to create confusion. Chief ministers or top officials don’t give directions on telephone continuously. The CBI—it is such a humbug investigation—they are trying to cook up evidence in the Ishrat Jahan case. You don’t give telephone calls to officers for an encounter. If you do it, you do it in private. He won’t talk on telephone because he knows telephone records remain. People are not fools. What I am trying to point out is that ultimately, this is about perception. I was able to create a proper atmosphere much before the elections.
And so was the Akali Dal in Punjab.
He (Modi) will also be able to do something at least before the elections.
Do you see Narendra Modi reaching out to Muslims?
He is. I had a talk with the Bohri community. They are very happy with him.
The Bohri community is a little more pragmatic and business-oriented, they are successful,