1. No solution to OROP row, veterans seek President’s intervention

No solution to OROP row, veterans seek President’s intervention

The principle which implements OROP we are committed to it but it has to be based on some principles," Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said.

By: | New Delhi | Updated: August 29, 2015 9:43 PM
Arun jaitley

The principle which implements OROP we are committed to it but it has to be based on some principles,” Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said. (PTI)

The government on Saturday said it has “significantly narrowed down” the gaps with the agitating ex- servicemen but held out no concrete assurances over ‘One Rank One Pension’ (OROP) even as the veterans sought President Pranab Mukherjee’s intervention to resolve the vexed issue.

“I understand that over the last few days the gap has narrowed down significantly… The principle which implements OROP we are committed to it but it has to be based on some principles,” Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said.

He also cautioned against raising demands which the economy cannot afford, asserting that what happened last Monday will probably happen once every month if we discard all fiscal norms and fiscal prudence.

“Therefore, you have to have a more disciplined economy and therefore, those raising demands in the various segments must realise that the governments can also implement such demands as much as the state of the economy can afford. But I’d like to see people being paid more,” Jaitley said at an event here, noting that one cannot have a system where pension of one segment is revised every year.

“Can it happen anywhere else in the world? And then if you do it one segment you have a demonstrative effect on other segments. And then we can forget about fiscal deficits and fiscal prudence and probably what happened last Monday will probably happen once every month if we discard all fiscal norms,” he added.

The annual revision of pension is one of the keys demands of the ex-servicemen who are seeking implementation of OROP.

Meanwhile, ex-servicemen took their 76-day-old agitation a notch higher by seeking the intervention of Mukherjee to resolve the vexed issue, stating that if any “damage or mishap happens” to those on hunger strike he and the government will be “solely responsible”.

In a letter to the President, who is also the Supreme Commander of the armed forces, United Front of Ex-servicemen (UFESM) said a soldier is supposed to kill enemy before laying down his life for country, “But under your rule, a soldier’s life is at stake and is being wasted as he is being deprived of his legitimate dues”.

UFESM, an umbrella organisation of agitating veterans, noted that as many as four former soldiers, who are on fast- unto-death, have been hospitalised and that health of another ex-serviceman Havildar Major Singh, who was on an indefinite fast since August 16, was fast deteriorating.

“Panel of doctors has declared that his medical condition has deteriorated to dangerous level and he needs to be hospitalised immediately to save his life,” the letter, a copy of which has also been sent to PMO, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and BJP President Amit Shah, said.

“Your Excellency and the Government of India will be solely responsible if any damage/mishap happens to Havildar Major Singh or any other ex-servicemen because of hunger strike,” it said.

The letter requested Mukherjee to instruct the government to implement OROP as per the Ministry of Defence letter dated February 26, 2014.

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    pkpk
    Aug 30, 2015 at 8:22 am
    DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil.
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      pkpk
      Aug 30, 2015 at 8:19 am
      If nothing else, unwittingly though, govt has created acrimony between civil service and military, officers and jawans and military and police forces. Once promised OROP for military - there was no exit route for the PM. Who advised PM on this delay after solemn promise without losing the credibility of the office of prime minister. Well done Modiji, you have ended up saving few hundred crores and of course every penny counts but at WHAT COST?
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        pkpk
        Aug 30, 2015 at 8:17 am
        OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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          pkpk
          Aug 30, 2015 at 8:20 am
          OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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            pkpk
            Aug 30, 2015 at 8:25 am
            OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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              pkpk
              Aug 30, 2015 at 8:28 am
              OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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                pkpk
                Aug 30, 2015 at 8:29 am
                OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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                  pkpk
                  Aug 30, 2015 at 8:30 am
                  OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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                    pkpk
                    Aug 30, 2015 at 8:32 am
                    OROP promised and approved by PM in principle must be implemented soon. DO NOT COMPARE any other service with MILITARY: 1. Very hard regular physical training to keep fit for war. 2. Regular battle training to prepare for war. 3. Eye to eye with enemy even in peace time. 4. Siachen and Leh-Ladakh’s sub-zero temperatures and no oxygen for brave soldiers. 5. 24/7 job – no overtime beyond 8 hours – war or battle training, food or no food, water or no water. 6. No fundamental rights - no freedom of expression - discipline - only yes sir. 7. Army/Navy/AF Act - Military Courts - Instant Prison Punishment with Pack Drill - No Appeal - Court Martial can only be appealed. 8. Family separation - no et building - no proper education of children. 9. Retire in prime of life in mid 30s and 40s with no skills useful in civil. 10. Pyramidal promotional structure, meaning very few promotional avenues in service, resulting in very low pay at the time of retirement when compared with civil service. 11. And last not the least, be prepared for supreme sacrifice - fight the enemy to kill or get killed, which no other service does.
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                      pkpk
                      Aug 29, 2015 at 9:51 pm
                      Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates.
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                        pkpk
                        Aug 30, 2015 at 8:25 am
                        THE KING HAS SPOKEN. I was wondering all along why SHEKHAR GUPTA of TOI/IT Group was taking so much interest in OROP debate? He was the courtier of KING AJ, who could not send his babus to oppose OROP in media. Opposing annual review is opposing OROP. The article in TOI about rolling military pension confirmed my worst fears that this story with misleading figures is planted by AJ and his babus. What an opportunity to defame veterans, which was not achieved through Shekhar Gupta debates was achieved by this ROLLING STUFF which is totally misleading. Now what? Today the KING has himself spoken. ALL serving and retired generals including VKS and Khanduri, please NOTE – Modi may be well meaning but he is only a messenger (as was proved in Delhi elections) if you're banking on him, the real KING has spoken. Do you have any chance now? My advice is compromise on anything else like effective date or base year or whatever but not on the definition of OROP (yearly review is heart of the OROP definition).
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                          pkpk
                          Aug 29, 2015 at 9:50 pm
                          What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates.
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                            pkpk
                            Aug 30, 2015 at 8:21 am
                            What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates.
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                              pkpk
                              Aug 29, 2015 at 9:49 pm
                              What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates. If no pension parity every year, what is then OROP? You will ultimately have to do it but surely not with GRACE!
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                                pkpk
                                Aug 29, 2015 at 9:49 pm
                                What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates. If no pension parity every year, what is then OROP? You will ultimately have to do it but surely not with GRACE?
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                                  pkpk
                                  Aug 30, 2015 at 8:18 am
                                  What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates. If no pension parity every year, what is then OROP? You will ultimately have to do it but surely not with GRACE?
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                                    pkpk
                                    Aug 30, 2015 at 8:20 am
                                    What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates. If no pension parity every year, what is then OROP? You will ultimately have to do it but surely not with GRACE?
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                                      pkpk
                                      Aug 30, 2015 at 8:32 am
                                      What happened to the low morale armies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it any secret? Once OROP approved in prinl, our FM says reviewing (not necessarily increasing - only parity for same rank with same length of total service) military pensions annually is asking for too much? Why? Are your babus going to calculate the pension parity? No, computer programmers will write programs and everything will be done automatically on set dates. If no pension parity every year, what is then OROP? You will ultimately have to do it but surely not with GRACE?
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                                        Radhakrishnan M
                                        Aug 30, 2015 at 1:58 pm
                                        It is a waste of time and effort to approach the President for OROP. The President was the FM on many occasions during which he refused to either grant OROP or stop degradation of the defence forces over 40 years under Congress-rule. In any case there is not much the President can do in our set-up. Only the PM can countermand the FM and g OROP, none else.
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                                          Observer
                                          Aug 30, 2015 at 1:57 pm
                                          It is a waste of time and effort to approach the President for OROP. The President was the FM on many occasions during which he refused to either grant OROP or stop degradation of the defence forces over 40 years under Congress-rule. In any case there is not much the President can do in our set-up. Only the PM can countermand the FM and g OROP, none else.
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                                            Observer
                                            Aug 30, 2015 at 1:57 pm
                                            It is a waste of time and effort to approach the President for OROP. The President was the FM on many occasions during which he refused to either grant OROP or stop degradation of the defence forces over 40 years under Congress-rule. In any case there is not much the President can do in our set-up. Only the PM can countermand the FM and g OROP, none else.
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